Comments on: The Chicken or the Egg of Crowdfunding https://amysampleward.org/2010/05/24/the-chicken-or-the-egg-of-crowdfunding/ Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:37:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Webdates 1 juni — Sociaal Ondernemen. Nu! https://amysampleward.org/2010/05/24/the-chicken-or-the-egg-of-crowdfunding/comment-page-1/#comment-34521 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:37:22 +0000 https://amysampleward.org/?p=1567#comment-34521 […] De Kip of het ei van crowdfunding Amy Sampleward, expert op het gebied van social media en sociaal ondernemerschap, reageert in deze post op de opvatting  van Debra Askanase dat je voor succesvol crowdfunding – of dat nu om geld of middelen gaat- eerst een groep trouwe volgelingen moet hebben, wil je als organisatie succesvol crowdfunding inzetten. Sampleward kan zich tot op zeker hoogte erin vinden, maar ontdekt toch een kip-ei verhaal: natuurlijk moet je bekend zijn wil crowdfunding zin hebben, maar je simpelweg registreren en dan ervan uitgaan dat je bekend bent en dus volgelingen krijgt, is het ook niet. Sampleward geeft 4 tips: […]

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By: Amy Sample Ward https://amysampleward.org/2010/05/24/the-chicken-or-the-egg-of-crowdfunding/comment-page-1/#comment-34516 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 08:05:52 +0000 https://amysampleward.org/?p=1567#comment-34516 In reply to ehon.

Thanks for joining in, Ehon! I definitely think the kind of cause (the sector, the mission, the community, etc.) influences everything. I wouldn’t say that it means it is “either/or” but that it is still a mix of both – the kind of cause determining which platforms and which opportunities are most appropriate.

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By: ehon https://amysampleward.org/2010/05/24/the-chicken-or-the-egg-of-crowdfunding/comment-page-1/#comment-34031 Sun, 30 May 2010 03:00:43 +0000 https://amysampleward.org/?p=1567#comment-34031 I totally agree with you – I think it comes down to the whole debate of chicken and the egg, but don’t you think the kind of cause would also influence that?

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By: Amy Sample Ward https://amysampleward.org/2010/05/24/the-chicken-or-the-egg-of-crowdfunding/comment-page-1/#comment-33302 Tue, 25 May 2010 14:35:47 +0000 https://amysampleward.org/?p=1567#comment-33302 Just found this via a tweet from Rachel Beer that lists some of the various platforms:

Tweet:
http://twitter.com/rachelbeer/statuses/14696322810

Post:
http://rossdawsonblog.com/weblog/archives/2010/05/how_to_raise_mo.html

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By: Amy Sample Ward https://amysampleward.org/2010/05/24/the-chicken-or-the-egg-of-crowdfunding/comment-page-1/#comment-33247 Tue, 25 May 2010 07:09:16 +0000 https://amysampleward.org/?p=1567#comment-33247 In reply to Beth Kanter.

Thanks for commenting, Beth! I completely agree – that’s why the four steps I recommend include doing both in a balanced way. It doesn’t make sense to use up your capacity just finding places to list your organization; but you can pay attention to where your community is going online and be sure to your organization listed there; and you don’t want to just list your organization and hope people will find ways to support you but instead should create a place on your website and regular storytelling to help those “free agents” get started.

The chicken or the egg metaphor is to point out that we can’t really say which was first, or at least at this point it doesn’t matter, because we have and need both.

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By: Beth Kanter https://amysampleward.org/2010/05/24/the-chicken-or-the-egg-of-crowdfunding/comment-page-1/#comment-33239 Tue, 25 May 2010 04:52:01 +0000 https://amysampleward.org/?p=1567#comment-33239 Great way to frame the discussion as this or that — but isn’t a combination needed?

You need to balance organizational strategy with reaching and embracing “free agent fundraisers” — that’s the name of the chapter in The Networked Nonprofit about this very issue.

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By: Amy Sample Ward https://amysampleward.org/2010/05/24/the-chicken-or-the-egg-of-crowdfunding/comment-page-1/#comment-33147 Mon, 24 May 2010 14:24:51 +0000 https://amysampleward.org/?p=1567#comment-33147 In reply to Stacey Monk.

Thanks, Stacey – as always you’ve shared your passion and dedication in your response and are always true to the mission.

I definitely agree with you about selecting places online to list your organization that match the values and purpose you’re working towards – and not just selling yourself everywhere you possibly can. This is why in my steps above I said to only take the time to list your organization on the networks or platforms your community was already using/gathering (so they had the opportunity/access to send funds your way). But I think the framing of “fundraise for us in your own way because you want to be part of this” vs “fundraise for us because we need the money” is something that only the organization can help provide to the participants and community members and that framing is not just a one-time thing.

I’d love to hear if you have had experience with people finding your Causes or other platform listing and creating a fundraising effort that benefits you – how they did it, how you found them, how you connected/supported them.

Thanks again for sharing here – I really appreciate it!

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By: Stacey Monk https://amysampleward.org/2010/05/24/the-chicken-or-the-egg-of-crowdfunding/comment-page-1/#comment-33141 Mon, 24 May 2010 14:12:59 +0000 https://amysampleward.org/?p=1567#comment-33141 I think your advice is spot on – although I wonder whether we’re more helpful when we don’t leave the choice up to the personal fundraiser. I don’t even like evaluating which tool to choose, and it’s my job. Sometimes, in an effort to create a sense of choice for the potential donor/fundraiser, we may just add to their confusion & give them a reason to opt out.

I think, personally, I’ve opted out of the egg, too. It took some learning, and I used to try diligently to keep us on most platforms. Every time I saw a new one arise, I’d wince, because I’d have to reformat our data to comply with the new platform.

Now, though, almost universally, I opt out of genericizing fundraising platforms. Maybe it’s just me, but I feel like I’m commoditizing the great work of our partner each time I add her to one of these platforms. I feel like she becomes one of a million instead of one in a million. They almost ubiquitously charge a fee and, with rare exception, rely on the organization to drive traffic to a particular project or page.

If I’m going to have to do the marketing, and pay a fee, I’d rather use the time to build a platform of my own. Maybe it’s as simple as a Chipin or Paypal widget on a WordPress page, but it’s an experience I can customize fully and one that isn’t surrounded by thousands of other opportunities – that may not frame our work in the way we’d prefer. So often the photography or storytelling by many nonprofits & projects on these sites is so need-based, and ours tries to be potential-based – I don’t want there to be any confusion of our message by entering her in an online catalog of global “needs.” Ick.

Our economic system is rooted in this propensity to scale & create convenience & supposed “economies of scale”. Bigger=Better, right? and many platforms are built on this notion. I wholeheartedly believe that there are many situations in which boutique or custom solutions for a particular project or community are radically more effective.

I hope we’re careful not to build core platforms that effectively create McDonald’s, Wendy’s & Burger King flavors of causes online to make it “easy” for our users and “efficient” for our organizations. Double Ick.

Maybe, just maybe, change is about love & art. And efficiency & ease just aren’t the right metrics.

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By: Amy Sample Ward https://amysampleward.org/2010/05/24/the-chicken-or-the-egg-of-crowdfunding/comment-page-1/#comment-33137 Mon, 24 May 2010 13:34:11 +0000 https://amysampleward.org/?p=1567#comment-33137 In reply to Christine Egger.

Thanks, Christine!

I like the chicken and egg debate much better for framing and discussing than the catch-22; not because I don’t think it is fitting, but because I think the catch-22 idea can totally disempower people from figuring out how to make something work.

I definitely agree with you that a free agent fundraiser (or, I think I’d recommend a free agent supporter, so it’s fundraising and everything else) page is a great way to start and bring both the chickens and the eggs together in one basket! (see what I did there, yeah…)

Looking forward to more comments and hopefully some experiences/stories here.

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